Podcast notes – Mohnish Pabrai (Investor, Charlie Munger disciple) with William Green

Guest: Mohnish Pabrai
Host: William Green (Investors Podcast Network)

Won charity auction lunch in 2008 w/ Warren Buffett
Warren introduced him to Charlie Munger

2009 lunch w/ Charlie at California Club
Studied Mohnish’s US portfolio – led him to sell his Sears position

Became bridge partners w/ him and Rick Guerin when one of their group dropped out

Charlie uses the f-word a lot – which surprised Mohnish

Charlie’s an assembly line, devouring books and readings – reads 500 books a year – skims a lot
Broad interests – global warming, American history

Charlie doesn’t look back, entirely focused on problem at hand

Charlie and Buffett don’t talk as much as they used to – partly due to how long they’ve been together

Charlie understood earlier than Buffett about buying a good company even if it’s not undervalued / cheap (as opposed to Buffett’s more Graham-like investment approach)

One difference was Costco – Charlie wanted to take a bigger stake, Warren thought it was too expensive

Another difference was BYD – it took Charlie a long time to convince Warren because of his confidence in the founder

Charlie introduced Mohnish to Li Lu, wanted Mohnish to have a good partner / someone equal to talk to
Had regular lunches in Arcadia and Pasadena

Li Lu recommended Amore Pacific (Korean cosmetics) but Mohnish couldn’t understand it, but it went up 80x
Korea as state of art for Asian beauty products

Li Lu then recommended Maotai – most valuable liquor company in world
$1000/bottle

Mohnish recommended Micron to Li Lu

Charlie thought Li Lu was incredible person, 3 Columbia degrees at same time (law, MBA, and undergrad) – English was his second language

Li Lu invested float of his student loans and made $1M by the time he graduated!

Charlie met Li Lu at an event commemorating Tiananmen Square
Had weekly breakfast for awhile

Charlie will understand a business in 10 seconds that Mohnish has been studying for weeks

One of Charlie’s filters is “win win win” – everything must be win across the board

Mohnish tried copying Berkshire’s strategy in India – buy an insurance company, use the float for investment

Insurance is a difficult business to be in, Warren mentioned it this year at Berkshire meeting
Geico is unusual in being well run, but encountering problems now too
Bizarre business – sell product but don’t know real cost until 5 years later – models are often wrong

Berkshire’s core textile mill business and insurance businesses turned out not great – but investment portfolio more than made up for it

John Templeton: Best analysts are wrong 1/3 times

“Greed takes over” – important to have checklists and hear opposing viewpoints and partners to talk to help damp this down, damp down the animal spirits

Investment isn’t brain surgery – you’re gonna have a high error rate
Have humility to realize when you’re wrong, must be candid about it, and move on

Howard Marks – talks like a robot – doesn’t seem to get emotional – yet he’s super creative and based on gut
Bill Miller says he cries a lot

Charlie had a very tough period in 1970s, failed partnership, wound it down – a lot of the money was rolled into Berkshire
Decided in 1974 he no longer wanted to manage money

Warren and Charlie – beautiful souls with hard exterior

Value of his YPO membership – 8-12 member groups (Forum) – everything is confidential

Charlie gave Mohnish advice on his struggling marriage / divorce – predicted everything that happened
Recommended a movie to him that was quite accurate

Charlie has 8 kids
He and Warren understand people so well, people dynamics

“Show up early” – big lesson from Charlie, very uncourteous to be late
Li Lu would show up 10 mins early for breakfast w/ Charlie, but he was already there, then 15 mins, then 30 mins – eventually Charlie told him he came early to read his paper!

Charlie emphasized value of being ethical as a competitive advantage
“Enlightened self interest”
“Most things in life function on trust”
If you become trustworthy, you have a massive leg up in life, your reputation
You get there by having a consistent life, demonstrate repeatedly that you play ethically, are long-term, treat everyone around you well

McDonald’s said they had 3 stools that they rely on – franchisees, vendors, and employees

Stopped 3/5 of way

Podcast notes – Castos founder Craig Hewitt – host Rob Walling

Guest: Craig Hewitt – Castos founder (public and private podcast hosting tool, 13 employees)

Podcast stats are broken – different download numbers across different services

Both podcast analytics startups Chartable and Podtrac were recently acquired by Spotify
Spotify is a closed podcast ecosystem

Rob believes in competitive market, if open software is the best, it will win (eg, WordPress/Automattic)
Felt it was offensive when Spotify walled off their podcasts – “something that was once open is no longer”

“Open source creates community-based accountability”

Rob gets podcast data from Blueberry, Chartable, Castos

Why is podcast data hard?
-Castos benchmarks their analytics with Podtrac to make sure data is in range (~10% range)
-There’s a lot of bot traffic to remove
-Podcast analytics services only have visibility when the file is downloaded – can’t see how long they listen, how they interact with the file
-Spotify has that closed loop – takes file, distributes locally, have their own app, so 3rd party analytics can’t see Spotify user activity

20-40% podcast listening audience on Spotify – more international, more younger audience

Apple recently launched podcast analytics – helpful indicator but not very accurate

A lot of podcast apps are quite privacy focused – won’t share their user behavior / listening data back to publishers or analytics services

Podcasts will be built into all cars, planes – still quite early

Podcast notes – STEPN founder Yawn Rong on Blockcrunch

Guest: STEPN founder Yawn Rong

Move to earn game

**Now 700K DAUs, will break 1M DAUs in June

Yawn is based in Australia

Lifestyle app with game + social elements

Walking or running to earn tokens

Download Android or iOS app, setup wallet (biggest user hurdle), deposit crypto (currently support SOL or BNB)
Buy sneakers to start earning

Sneakers have different qualities, types, and attributes
Want it to be like RPG, level up your sneakers
Get healthier body thru the process

Entry price now is $600-800 for floor price common sneaker

Considered free to play, but having no barrier to entry has its own troubles
**Rather have higher barrier to entry, then reduce it (eg, thru a rental market)

Revenue comes from buying / minting NFT sneakers
Users refer friends
Move to earn / health & fitness is a broader audience than play to earn / current NFT gaming
Thus can grow for a very long time

**Need external energy to inject into system – like the sun providing energy to Earth

Saw Bored Apes’ success – importance of social value – people willing to show off, community

Partner with sneaker brands

Two tokens
GST – in-game token, infinite supply – minting to create new sneakers, onboard new users
GMT – governance, platform token for future things they’ll build, finite supply

Trying to discourage speculation – people hoarding GST to pump price
Implementing dynamic pricing for GST to reduce speculation, because retail users get burned, and don’t want sneaker mint costs to be too high

Started as gameFi – but saw that it’s speculative, death spiral – so pivoted away
**Lifestyle app has more social element – want a vibrant running community
Doing 5-10 offline events in Japan, Australia, Spain, US
Web3 wallet interaction is weak, but bringing people together offline is powerful
Then they’re willing to pay for social features in-app, impress friends & community

Now they’re making money
As app grows, they’ll make less – but they’ll have exercise habit, and have community / social connections
People new to crypto will be impressed with earning $10-50/day
Today that money is provided by STEPN, but in future more and more of the earnings will be provided by ecosystem partners (sneaker brands, health & lifestyle brands)

FTX auction – Taiwan buyer bot sneaker for 2500 SOL – donated to charity

**Sneaker is an advertising billboard
Can make celebrity sneakers, branded sneakers

**Use sneaker as social identity
Will release Panda Skin sneaker design
Will work like NFT PFP images (profile photos)

Most gamefi having trouble bootstrapping new users – because it’s still limited to just crypto natives
Games are difficult because you must create your own narrative and world
Axie design is difficult to change, lots of dependencies

Focused on product – hands-on with all bugs, user feedback, iterate quickly
**Simple lightweight frontend to move fast, focus on robust backend
Product & community orientation
Spent a lot of time to refine ideas, cut clutter, focus on system design — haven’t made significant changes since launch
Have experienced game producers on team
Still building according to their roadmap – have lots of modules they plan to add – new badge system, additional items
“Walk for an hour, make $500” – very simple message, don’t want that to change

Moat is user-based
For new app, who’s paying that “earn” part of play to earn? It’s from other users. So you need users who want to hold the token, want to purchase tokens
Initial need is financial returns, but will stay for the community
How you kick off the “earn” is very important, initial missteps can cause a lot of problems

**Strongest advocates for STEPN are those who never exercised before – see the changes to body, energy, diet

GPS track to prevent just using a treadmill
Temporarily allow multiple phones
But anti-cheating is very important – otherwise hackers / bots can print money
Working continuously to improve

Chose walking and running because it’s the most broad accessible exercise
Even bicycle requires having access to a bike

Biggest milestone is getting 10s of millions of web2 users to web3, using STEPN app + STEPN wallet
STEPN as their first web3 experience, then provide more complex / deeper web3 experiences
Want to be web2>web3 gateway

Podcast notes – Charles Duhigg (Smarter, Faster, Better) on Jordan Harbinger

Guest Charles Duhigg – business journalist, author of Power of Habit, Smarter Faster Better

How to think is more important than What to think

Power of Contemplative routines – habits to give us space to think about right things
eg, on way to work, think about upcoming day

Jerry Robbins (sp?) wrote nightly letters to friends – a habit to think about what happened to him that day

Charles’s own: every evening he tells his wife everything that happened that day, describes those things in detail to her, pushes him to think more deeply
Jordan also does verbalization – explaining his day, his problems – with podcast guests, business partners, romantic partner

Laptop notes vs Longhand notes
Laptop 3x more info from lecture, copy verbatim
But longhand notes score much better on recall test later
“Disfluency” – act of thinking, encodes more deeply

Productive people have checkin systems – eg, Sunday afternoon, review what happened last week, plan for next week

Productive people perceive choices where others see just chores
eg, Marine Corps changed basic training to force recruits to make lots more choices – you figure out where the cleaning supplies are, you determine whether to throw something out or keep it
eg, when going through your emails, look for ways to exhibit agency, make a decision, turn chores into choices
eg, grading papers is a boring task, before doing it, one professor goes through  his mental mantra to internalize that grading papers > helps university > funds his research > helps to cure cancer

Brain is a tool we can choose to change and manipulate

Carol Dweck – internal locus of control, growth mindset – instead of complimenting a kid on how smart they are, compliment how hard they worked (effort is a choice, being smart isn’t)

Google’s quest to build a perfect team – the result? They found WHO was on the team didn’t matter as much as HOW the team interacted
Two behaviors always helped
1. equality in conversational turn taking – one person doesn’t consistently dominate, and others aren’t always silent
2. ostentatious listening behavior – show you that I’m listening, mirror back what others say
Creates atmosphere of psychological safety

Google – a tech company completely reliant on computers – has a rule where everyone must close computer before start a meeting – they know this is more effective

Visualize what’s coming in specificity / detail – what we expect to occur, what exactly we’ll do or say – which helps prepare us and mentally primes us for that behavior

Why are some people more creative on a fixed schedule?
It’s a product not of creative individual but a creative process – commit to the process, yielding ideas on a schedule
Disney movie Frozen – was on brink of disaster just months before release – “anyone can be creative if they have the right process” – take your own experiences and frame in new original ways
They held an offsite – took turns to share your favorite cliches / ideas – lots of women on the team – realized key themes were Princess + Sisterhood – sisterhood is complicated, relationships can be nuanced
the breakthru was realizing the movie’s heart was about the sisters’ relationship and helping each other

Most creative people collect ideas and fit them together – “creative brokerage”
Hamilton = Hip hop + Founding fathers

Wrote this book because he wanted to improve his own productivity
At that time, his book Power of Habit was doing better than he expected, he was also writing an award winning series of articles, but he felt miserable, too busy, stressed, felt overwhelmed by minutiae and process
How to find better balance while still accomplishing major goals?

Developed contemplative routines
-each evening, he tells his wife about his day, what he liked and disliked – looks forward to this chance to review with his wife
-on subway in morning, he visualizes how his day will unfold, which better prepares and primes him

More change than ever in world, people are anxious about it
Answer is to think more, focus on right goals, build mental models to focus better

Podcast notes – pmarca and cdixon on Bankless talking web3 and crypto

Guests: Marc Andreessen, Chris Dixon

A16z – new $4.5B fund, largest crypto fund ever – venture investing, mostly early stage, 10+ year time horizon, open source, contribute to broader crypto community, doing a lot in policy, invest a lot in content and media, 72 people team and growing

cdixon = “Kendrick Lamar of mental models”

Internet’s original sin – it was illegal to have money on internet, do business online – US government was paying for it then, was a fed funded research project w/ taxpayer money
Ethos as non-commercial, open source, free software movement
Impossible to imagine Netscape, making money on internet
Internet built as zero-trust, lack of economic incentives created many problems such as spam, reliance on advertising

Netscape created javascript, cookies, SSL – core internet primitives
SSL was controversial, classified as munitions, government thought only terrorists would use encryption
Narrative battle then – information superhighway (eg, AOL, Disney) vs decentralized (eg, Netscape)

Encryption was used in warfare, but not in daily life
Invented SSL protocol to enable encryption
Govt still tries to ban encryption periodically, same fights

Many early actors do have bad intentions – but stopping them means you also stop the positive uses and limit the potential; it will create jobs; importance of privacy for sensitive data (health, finance)
If these technologies exist, you want them in your country so you can better regulate and observe them

Bull case for open systems:
Bill Joy, cofounder of Sun – “Joy’s law” – no matter how many smart people work for your company, there are more smart people who don’t
“Permissionless innovation” – internet was like this, PC, iPhone, crypto is like this
Generational component to this – kids see this as their opportunity; older people have status quo bias, their power is at risk
Doomed to fight these things over and over again

Cathedral vs Bazaar
Cathedral = Microsoft (hierarchical, centralized)
Bazaar = early PCs (open systems)
Encarta vs Wikipedia

Crypto picked up baton of open source software, open systems
Disadvantages is 2 step process – recruit developers first to build the software, which attracts the users

Early protocols were not human readable – binary code
Internet protocols (eg, SMTP, HTTP) – text based protocols, human read & write, easier to build on it, write your own protocols
Was meaningfully slower this way
Did this to drive demand for broadband and innovation on top

First laptops were 43 pounds and early reviews were scathing – the critics were right but didn’t see the future
When there’s a movement and attracting world’s smartest people – the critics’ list of problems becomes the precise opportunities

Internet – right answer is always to LIBERATE – ethos of freedom of speech, John Barlow’s declaration of independence of cyberspace
Web3 bringing trust to an untrusted network
Can imagine entire global economy running on blockchain

Net neutrality – Twitter originally described itself as free speech wing of free speech party
Lot of those advocates are now advocates for censorship – 180 turn
Ethos shift – all these companies are under intense pressure to censor and block

Crime wave in 1920s, 30s – car plus tommy guns – new thieves with new tech – created mass panic and lots of bank robberies, but then banks and police adapted. Society adapts
Full anarchy isn’t a good idea either – question of judgment by leaders and community

Mental model for software – as flexible and plastic as writing fiction – massive design space
Questions of whether capital can have too much influence over governance – it’s a problem that can be solved with more innovation and better design
Becomes question of political philosophy – Machiavelli said 3 forms of government, rule by one, rule by few, rule by many
Lots of direct democracy experiments fail – California propositions, Florentine direct democracy so catastrophic it led to anarchy
Historically most democracies have some level of representation / delegation
Full democracy may be unrealistic expectation
But different communities can make different tradeoffs

On internet as things are increasingly adopted, more embedding adds more friction points to governance process
Speed running history of finance, and now speed running history of governance

Blockchains are core tech – new kinds of computers, “computers that can make commitments”
Two other movements – money / defi, web3 (reinventing internet services owned by communities)

Web1 = democratized information – “read”
Web2 = democratized publishing – but controlled by small sets of companies – “read write”
Web3 = democratizing ownership – “read write own”

Networks’ hardest problem is cold start – tokens are powerful solution to this

Lot of people are uncomfortable with money – intellectuals in particular see ideas as superior to money
Another view – money as a tool, crystallized human effort – incentivize and measure value between people
We tried societies without money – Soviet Union is an example and it didn’t go well
Money is fundamental tool to build civilization

Key turning point for modern civilization is “clear title to land” – once you have that, you have motivation to improve it, build on it – then you can borrow against it, which is what makes R&D, business, modern economy possible – unlocking capital

Web 1.0 – closest to ownership is domain names – and was linchpin for how web stayed somewhat decentralized
Domain name isn’t a consumer product, which limited its potential
RSS didn’t succeed but there’s alternate future where RSS + crypto (value ownership) could have avoided lots of web2 problems of centralization and censorship

NFTs – way to connect culture and art to internet – history of art has always been a big deal, value is tied to provenance (is it real, did artist actually make it, who owned it before)
World has fraction of art we should have – funding art has always been a tough problem
Allowing artists to access global market of patrons
Bullish on global explosion of creativity

Jack Dorsey’s critique of web3 – “you don’t actually own web3, know what you’re getting into”
Jack believes in decentralization, differ on details (believes BlueSky can do it on Bitcoin instead of other blockchains)
Norm of a16z portfolio ownership is sub 5% – which is less than web2
Moxie critiques – new things re-centralizing like OpenSea – but OS doesn’t own those NFTs, they’re all on blockchains, more pressure on take rates and more competition

Processes of tech adoption
1. Ignore
2. Refute – list of criticisms
3. Name calling – people getting mad, realize it’s gonna be a thing, represents re-ordering of power and status; we’re entering this phase now

How many web3 critiques are just critiques of capitalism

Western culture has 800 year history of freedom of speech and expression – important to keep these

Early Bitcoin had a libertarian culture which skews right, which also gets confused in the debate with broader crypto and what crypto is like today

In long run, the truth wins
Internet is winning – fundamentally a good thing
People use it, buy into it, get value from it

Advice to young people
-look for place you can make contribution (don’t believe in follow your passion)
-focus on satisfaction over happiness (deep and enduring over temporary and fleeting)
-all of this stuff is about people, great teams – people who share a lot in common, sublimate themselves, work together
-hard work (work life balance isn’t as important when you’re young, there’s no substitute for hard work, great things require intense effort over long time)

New tech there’s a magical window
For mobile it was 2009-2011 (Snap, Instagram, Uber, Venmo, huge influx of builders, funding)
With web3 we’re in it now, magical few years, hence the massive fund to go all-in

notes are unedited, any mis-reps are mine