Podcast notes: Tim Urban (Wait But Why) on Lex Fridman

Lex Fridman interviews Tim Urban (writer of Wait But Why)

I wonder how small intelligent life gets – or how big

Humans operate at multiple social levels – can be independent individuals, and can be colonies / collectives

Humans are roughly in the middle of the biggest and smallest measurable things (biggest = observable universe; smallest = subatomic particles)

How many alien civilizations?
“Teeming with life”
Estimates of 27M intelligent civilizations in Milky Way alone
But we don’t observe any

Lex: Our understanding of intelligence and consciousness is very human centric – probably very limited and science is very young

No human can make a pencil by themselves

Tim: If a witch casts a spell on humanity and all material things disappears, goal is to make one working iPhone 13 and she’ll reverse the spell. How could we do it? Requires materials, factories, teams, tools

Think of how much work and infrastructure and invention required to just get food delivered to you at click of a few buttons

Elon says need 1M people on Mars to be truly multi planetary
Could be war in space for territory, tribalism (Mars v Earth)

America was first modern democracy and now there are many more – founders tried to make the ideal country

Tim: $10K bet that a human will set foot on Mars by 2030 – should be a massive global event
2030s will be new 1960s, new space decade
Greatest adventure in history – hopefully a great uniting event
SpaceX makes me proud to be a human

What makes Elon so successful?
Lots of people have his talents, but he’s sane in the way that everyone else is crazy
We’re not adapted to our modern hyper populated hyper connected world
He’s willing to question conventional wisdom, trust his reasoning
“He just does things his own way”

Hate is on the rise
Inputs are human nature (which doesn’t change much) + environment = behavior
Something in environment is changing = changing behavior
The good is getting better and the bad is getting worse
Feels like we’re headed toward an important fork between an incredible and a terrible future

“Political Disneyworld” – delusion where everything is good or evil, black or white
If you assemble highlight reel of your worst moments, you’ll seem like a terrible person
Everyone is worthy of both criticism and compassion

Our environment is bringing out really bad stuff
Rapidly changing environment = rapidly changing behavior, and wisdom is slow to catch up

Nuclear power is clearly a good option – antipathy towards it don’t seem rational or practical

Lex: lots of fear mongering going on

Tim: Balance of Higher mind + Primitive mind
When a topic riles up primitive mind, collectives become dumber than individual for self defense
Climate change has become a sacred topic – can’t handle constructive criticism
Covid / vaccines are same – sucked into a political whirlpool, into hands of primitive minds

Future has more and more complex problems, need more higher mind and less primitive mind

Opposite of echo chamber is an idea lab – need more idea labs (scientific process, new ideas, collective participation)

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