Podcast notes – Punk 6529 on Bankless: “NFTs are generic carriers for intangible assets…intangibles are $70 TRILLION”

Why pseudonymous identity
Very intrigued by NFTs in late 2020s
Initially thought it was cute games for kids
Saw Gmoney, Punk4156 – inspired by idea

Idea behind bitcoin – provable ownership

“If you’re not sure, you should just try it”
With tech, you can’t just read about it, you gotta use it

Now he checks in and out of 2 different ecosystems – Facebook is his pre-existing / real identity life
Twitter is his NFT and crypto community – noticed it’s as easy, if not easier, to cooperate and collaborate here, didn’t expect this at first

Fact that NFTs are always visible in wallets – security flaw, but solvable (especially expensive ones, eg, Fidenza)

On bulletin boards 20 years ago — didn’t know ID of those people, just had pseudonymous handles
“It’s not weird at all — you’re all gonna do it”
People present differently online, on LinkedIn v IG v Facebook

The NFT makes the pseudonymous ID provable

RSA: “Don’t trust anyone in crypto who hasn’t used Uniswap”

“No constitutional rights without freedom to transact”

There’s a progressive erosion of freedom

One is tech intermediated —
NYC yellow cabs, pay cash, no one can stop you from using them – decentralized physical activity
Now, Uber can stop you any time for any reason

Two is post 911 AML/KYC
Cash now viewed with suspicion
Impossible to launch “cash” as a product today

End state of all this is a few large databases that intermediate everything — it’s a chokepoint, a honeypot
No thinking about second order effects
Some very ambitious politicians will take control, shut down and control large numbers of people, including their opponents
All of this runs outside of due process
Starts with good intentions, but grows and grows
Network effects which become chokepoints

Crypto’s own permissionless architecture becomes an important counterweight – Bitcoin has no CEO

RSA: there will be 2 types of money — controlled money and free money

NFTs are our best shot at achieving decentralization — that’s why he started 6529

Most of his friends are completely clueless — lots of them think he’s lost his mind about NFTs and crypto
Caught in a MLM scheme or Ponzi

What’s funnier — lots of BTC people can’t get into ETH or vice-versa, or NFTs and DeFi — “have you looked at yourself in the mirror?”

“Hardened veteran of being yelled at”

A lot of super technical crypto lovers shit on NFTs, “kid stuff”

Because crypto was too obsessed with the technology, it was clear it was pre-product market fit
NFTs changed that

You don’t buy a CryptoPunk because it’s on Ethereum

When you talk about applications instead of the tech, you’re at the beginning of consumerization
eg, Dolce Gabbana at an NFT conference!

NFTs = generic carriers for intangible assets

Many things you can do with NFTs that you can’t do with crypto, eg, personal IDs
Big companies are using NFTs, but not bitcoin / ethereum

NFTs are infinitely expressive

Metaverse is just the internet, it’s not gonna be one website
Right now you’re 2 inches tall on my laptop, but in the future you’ll be full size – visualization will improve
You’ll need persistent digital objects — NFTs!

You can survive without Twitter, but not really without email
Politicians can’t ban email — it’s a protocol
Architecture of web 1 was open, inter-operable, came out of academia (eg, email, websites)
Architecture of web 2 came out of Silicon Valley, should have been protocols but was captured by large companies

Metaverse will be your all encompassing ambient digital environment

We have moment in time, next 2-3 years – while others think this tech is a joke – we have opportunity to win a technology shift
Twitter was thought as a joke, a curiosity – 11 years later, huge debate about how POTUS uses it

BTC won’t displace state money – state has tremendously powerful tools
ETH won’t be global computing platform – it’s AWS

You can make NFTs as first amendment protected speech – there will be a Supreme Court case on first amendment grounds

NFTs are
—first mainstream crypto consumer app
—possible to get large companies using and integrating
—less threatening to the state

Intangibles on corporate balance sheets are $70T dollars – far more than gold – and many more intangibles that aren’t on balance sheets at all

NFTs can carry any arbitrary intangible on the internet

“Yes We Can” and “Make America Great” are examples of intangibles that bind humans – memes – intersubjective realities and myths

It’s the underlying fabric of society – and now we can make it composable on the internet

Recent Twitter threads – Worldcoin, Metaverse, Balaji, Zoltan Poszar, and Doodles

I’ve been posting podcast notes directly to Twitter in an effort to grow my following. So far I’d give it a straight B as a marketing tactic.

Anyway here are the threads I’ve shared the past week — all podcast notes.

Worldcoin CEO on Epicenter podcast:

Legendary game designer Raph Koster talking about metaverse:

Balaji on the Farnam Street podcast:

…and part 2

Zoltan Poszar on Odd Lots talking about Bretton Woods 3

Doodles founder poopie on Overpriced JPEGs podcast

Podcast notes – Jason Choi (Spartan Group) and Frank Chaparro (The Scoop) – New $200M Metaverse fund

Guest Jason Choi
Host Frank Chaparro

Metaverse is a virtual world – games, ecomm, new experiences – use the term broadly, “ online gaming + social experiences defined by digital ownership

FC: Crypto twitter can be considered a metaverse pre cursor

Will take 5-10 years before truly immersive VR metaverse
Current metaverse are bare bones eg Sandbox
Lack of economic activity inside metaverse – rails / tech missing to buy and trade things besides simple tokens

Cold start problem – easy to create the worlds, how do you get 1M users to come in and consistently hang out
First build good games and experiences – like Fortnite, then extend to things like concerts (Travis Scott), ecomm

VR Chat on Quest – lots of content is user generated, but developers aren’t properly compensated

Metaverse analogy is to layer 1s – a platform for other developers and for users
Maybe a less extreme power law – fat tail of metaverses that cover niches, specific games

Jason grew up in HK, started a small venture fund, doing crypto podcast
Spartan was started by former Goldman partner, Jason joined
Initially focused on Defi
Advisor to Dapper Labs / CryptoKitties
After they found Axie Infinity, thought growth + revenues was really interesting, made big bet that became lucrative
Dove much deeper into gaming + NFTs
Decided to setup fund to invest properly
Have $110M Defi fund too
Metaverse fund will be larger check sizes

3 investment areas
1. Infrastructure layer – immutable, flow, game engines, hardware
2. Experiences (games), social apps, metaverse storefronts
3. Value add layer – guilds, studios, discovery + aggregation

NFT Worlds project
Tied their NFT lands to servers on Minecraft – tapping into its massive userbase
Assets are still on Ethereum

Guilds
2 types of guilds
1) Macro – large balance sheets (YGG, Avocado)
2) Micro – long-tail, 20K of them, a few people, very reliant on scholars
But all guilds are still very reliant on Axie and Axie-type games
Guilds are marketing channels for games
Guilds could become studios, create experiences
Barrier to entry is low, differentiation is team (do they have prior gaming industry experience?)

Defi
Prices don’t reflect the innovation and usage
Defi rails for NFTs will be interesting

NFT areas of innovation
1. Fractionalizing NFTs
2. Collateralizing NFTs and taking loans – how do you determine price and rate
3. Lending NFTs
“Still in ICO days”

Jason’s podcast Blockcrunch
180 episodes since 2018
Passion project
Ran out of crypto blogs to read
Reason to reach out to influencers / experts
Doing a new Shark Tank series, have pre-launch founders come pitch
Active on Twitter too

Heavy metal fan
His favorite band Synyster Gates dropping NFTs directly to fans, don’t have to pay middleman like Facebook

All risk assets gone bonkers the past 2 years
Massive growth in fund sizes – Bain Cap $560M new fund, lots of sideline capital
But prices have slightly cooled recently
Funds will need to be either thesis specific, or go super early stage, or get super big

Podcast notes: NFT news with Overpriced Jpegs and guest Supermassive

guest SuperMassive – head of video at Defiant, covers crypto / web3
20 years as filmmaker

Glut of NFT stuff today, compared to when Bored Apes launched

Macro is deeply uncertain right now

NFT volume has dropped, but top projects haven’t fallen much – Mutants, Karafuru

Carly likes using Dappradar to track projects
SM uses Watchtower (paid app)

Some trends
Emergence of manga / anime style (Azuki)
Evolution of what’s considered “blue chip” (Artifact)

Vtubing trend – using avatar that tracks your movements in eg, Zoom calls
Opportunity to translate NFT into vtube scaffold
Can still emote / behave as yourself in metaverse but look like character

Recent explosion in Asian art / themes – CloneX (Murakami), Karafuru (comes from Indonesia), Azuki (anime style art)

Damien Hirst’s Dots – blue chip moment – price has dropped

7yo son and 9yo daughter, get their feedback on which NFTs – they liked Azukis

MFers – Bankless likes them, growing interest in NFTs

8000eth Punk sale – Deepak.eth bought it (CEO of Chain)
Has spent $31M on mutants, serums, and this punk
Also bought the M3 serum (!)
Took Compound loan to pay for it
Self promotional

We will label people as ape owners but not Tesla owners – that’s bizarre and interesting

NFTs have more tangible ownership value than shitcoins – and harder to sell so more hodling
NFT space is making up its own rules now

X2Y2 airdrop – wasn’t that valuable, had early issues so paused airdrop
LooksRare volume dropping, lot of it was wash trading, falling rewards

We’re all waiting for Coinbase NFT marketplace

Also NYSE doing an NFT marketplace too – what will it look like?

New stat that # of US people who hold crypto > # of US people who have a savings account (!?)

Will be an international arms race for stablecoins, crypto products

Carly works with Andrew Yang on his new Lobby3 initiative – anti-poverty benefits of crypto and web3
“if you’re not at the table, you’re on the menu”

Disney hired tech exec Mike White to lead metaverse strategy – taking it seriously
More confident Disney can do it than Facebook

Lens Protocol to build social apps
Possible future where writing good comments = NFT = can become collateral for buying a house

Lots of citizen policing in this space – community sorts it out – but media always prefers talking about the rugs

SM’s two exciting projects – Cyberbrokers (respected artist) and Aku collection (former MLB player)